Matt
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Just to clarify- the rest of the world couldn't give a damn whether Obama is black, white, or pink.
We like him because of (1) is moderate attitude to foreign policy, and (2) because he believes that the US - like most other Western countries - should have a far better health & social security system.
But we mainly like point 1.
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TheCzar
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Quote: Originally Posted by yorktex
Now we can see how the party that bashed Bush for 8 years has to start making excuses for their President's performance. It's time to start spinning like never before. They forgot how hard it is to be the president in this messed up world. But they will soon remember. There are more problems for the President to take on than he can possible solve.
Congratulations to Obama nevertheless. It is a great moment for black Americans. The symbolism is great for a truly maligned race. Unfortunately they will soon see what white Americans already know; it doesn't make much of a difference anyways in the grand scheme of things. Power ebbs and flows between our two party system like the waves crashing on the beach.
The Utopian hopes will soon come crashing down to reality, and dirty politics, and corrupt politicians will resume their work and do the same thing they have done since the Greek/Roman democracies that sprung from infancy eons ago.
Our country is divided by partisanship at a level it hasn't been at any point in my lifetime. I don't think anyone would question that change is needed. Here's hoping Obama's changes are all for the better. But lets at least give the man a chance to take office before we accuse him of making excuses.
Peace to all,
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Hooray! Into the OT Forum!
Though when I saw it was gone I came within a whisker of starting a thread in the main forum called "Didn't we just elect a black guy or something?"
Always stirring the pot...
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Quote: Originally Posted by yorktex
Now we can see how the party that bashed Bush for 8 years has to start making excuses for their President's performance. It's time to start spinning like never before. They forgot how hard it is to be the president in this messed up world. But they will soon remember. There are more problems for the President to take on than he can possible solve.
If you think that the criticism that W is getting is all because of partisan politics, you must be 1st, awfully young, and 2nd awfully partisan yourself! Speaking for myself, I was pretty much a lifelong Republican until Bush came along. And I swear now with him leaving office that I'm never going to vote Republican again as long as I live.
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yorktex
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Quote: Originally Posted by TheCzarQuote: Originally Posted by yorktex
Now we can see how the party that bashed Bush for 8 years has to start making excuses for their President's performance. It's time to start spinning like never before. They forgot how hard it is to be the president in this messed up world. But they will soon remember. There are more problems for the President to take on than he can possible solve.
Congratulations to Obama nevertheless. It is a great moment for black Americans. The symbolism is great for a truly maligned race. Unfortunately they will soon see what white Americans already know; it doesn't make much of a difference anyways in the grand scheme of things. Power ebbs and flows between our two party system like the waves crashing on the beach.
The Utopian hopes will soon come crashing down to reality, and dirty politics, and corrupt politicians will resume their work and do the same thing they have done since the Greek/Roman democracies that sprung from infancy eons ago.
I think we might should wait til Obama takes office before we say it is time for a bunch of spin. Having a cooperative congress will mean that Obama can push through legislation that can cause major changes. That said, even a well oiled government takes some time to make changes. In his acceptance speech, I didn't hear any attempt to make excuses by Obama. I heard a man who is aware of the enormity of the job he has to do, and who is humble in understanding he can't do it alone. He called on the support of all Americans. As he himself said, even for the one's whose vote he hadn't earned he is "their president too".
Our country is divided by partisanship at a level it hasn't been at any point in my lifetime. I don't think anyone would question that change is needed. Here's hoping Obama's changes are all for the better. But lets at least give the man a chance to take office before we accuse him of making excuses.
Peace to all,
The Czar
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yorktex
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Quote: Originally Posted by SamuraiQuote: Originally Posted by yorktex
Now we can see how the party that bashed Bush for 8 years has to start making excuses for their President's performance. It's time to start spinning like never before. They forgot how hard it is to be the president in this messed up world. But they will soon remember. There are more problems for the President to take on than he can possible solve. If you think that the criticism that W is getting is all because of partisan politics, you must be 1st, awfully young, and 2nd awfully partisan yourself! Speaking for myself, I was pretty much a lifelong Republican until Bush came along. And I swear now with him leaving office that I'm never going to vote Republican again as long as I live.
If you want to know what I think is the reason W is criticized then here it goes: I believe it is because the American people are absolutely tired of the Iraq war and believe W botched the war and regret the image that America has unfortunately adopted as a result. And I agree with the American people that W did botch the war. He should have fired Rumsfeld early in the campaign after the war shifted to a terror war. The surge that happened incredibly late in the War should have started 4 years earlier to tame the terrorists, and neutralize tribal and religious hostility that subsequently bubbled up into uncontrollable chaos for years.
I'm not young unfortunately. The comments I made about the two party system ebbing back and forth in power indicates that I must be old enough to observe the shift in power twice at least, which alludes to 8 years, almost, of W's term, and at least 4 of Clinton's, 8 years at most. Actually the truth is I've seen a little of the Carter, and all of Reagan, Bush Senior, Clinton, and now W as you put it.
It's my observance of the shift in power between the two parties for the past 4 decades of my life that allowed me to take a LESS partisan emotional bent on the struggles between the two parties. Not MORE partisan. And I'm thankful for it. Because the anger and emotional frustrations that are the child of partisanship is simply not good for my health.
Actually I no longer ascribe to the belief that either the Republican or the Democratic party have a hold on ALL the answers, should get all the credit, and/or should be worshiped with impunity when things go well. Likewise I don't believe either Party should be whipped and flogged with all the blame, ridicule, or be banished from American soil when things go bad.
My statement is a reflection of my observance of change in power in the past and what is likely to come in the future as cynical as it may sound to some. Partisan sounding to others.
Speaking of partisanship... I don't really condemn partisanship in itself. Partisanship is healthy is some respects. And here's my argument for it. Partisanship is basically a emotionally strong belief in ones belief or allegiance to a belief system, or in this case political allegiance to a party. Democrats are "partial" to, or show allegiance to Democratic/liberal beliefs, and Republican/conservative are "partial" or show allegiance to their beliefs. The level of allegiance, emotionally and philosophically is the harbinger of great powerful movements in American politics, legislation, tax reform, foreign policy and civil rights. It's the partisans that are more active and more emotional, and more passionate in their cause. They are the ones that make the most "noise" and push the most for changes. It's when they get dogmatic, and demagogue issues, and politics of personal destruction become their playbook that partisans are looked down on. And rightly so. It's personal attacks, and trying to take the first amendment speech of the opponent when partisans go to far. I hope you can see that my comments have not breached that threshold.
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